Thursday, July 24, 2008

Am I A Bad Black Person? Part II

EE  search for rapist Am I A Bad Black Person? Part II

Am I the only black person who has no interest in watching CNN’s Black in America? If I get one more forwarded email telling to watch that show, I’m gonna scream. I’m sorry, but I am just so tired of watching a bunch of black people sit on a stage and talk about their damn issues. What makes us do these types of programs and who exactly are they for? It seems to me that white people wouldn’t be all that interested and black people know this shit already. We just love to sit in front of cameras and debate our condition. Some Blacks are doing well, some are doing bad. OK, got it. Plus, if Michael Baisden is involved in any way, how good could it be? There are all these “black program” conventions that just need to be retired, like spoken word. If I hear one more random black spoken word voice-over…
“Hmmm…we need some more elements…lets see, what do black people like? Hip hop? No this should be serious. I know! Spoken Word! They love that shit!”
I stopped watching Tavis and his State of the Black Union special on C-Span about five years ago. Now don’t get me wrong, my first couple of times watching I got a big kick out of it. Me and my mom or friends would talk back to the TV and get a big kick out of all the militant rhetoric and inspirational flourishes. It was great fun. However….
Fast forward five years and you see those same Negroes sitting on that same stage talking about the same shit. All of a sudden the pontificating seems cliché, the topics out of touch, the mission unformed and ultimately fruitless, and worst of all Michael Eric Dyson and his too fast alliteration is just plain annoying. I don’t know, the whole thing just feels old and tired.
So then I give the Emotional-Negro-Issue-Discussion format one more chance and watch Hip Hop V. America II on BET—ok this is my type of thing, pop culture, sexism, responsibility perhaps this discussion will yield some revolutionary thought, some innovative ideas and insightful perspectives. Nope. Just a bunch of yelling and screaming, split verbs and people talking over each other. The dumbest ones are the loudest so the people who actually have sense (Lola Ogannaike) cant get a word in edgewise. I know, I know, it works for the McLaughlin Group but throw in David Banner and Deelishis and things just go horribly wrong.
I guess I’m just too busy BEING black (and writing blogs) in America to watch it. I figure I’m black every single day so why do I need to watch it on TV? Blackness on TV has gotten so boring and cliche. Tell me something new for a change. I’d rather watch Susie Orman or Michelle Singletary, at least with them I’m gonna learn how to make some damn money.
So, I’m sorry Soledad, although you are one of my favorite anchors on TV, I probably won’t tune in to Black in America tonight. You know why Soledad is one of my favorites, because she’s excellent at what she does. There’s an old saying that the solution to racism is excellence. I wish we would sit around and talk about that. At home.
Gotta go, Murder She Wrote is coming on and I haven’t seen this one….
Am I a bad black person?
Peace people.

84 Responses to “Am I A Bad Black Person? Part II”

  1. Robert Reece on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:16 am #

    I understand that you’re tired of hearing and seeing the same things and seeing people tell you about the black experience but aren’t you doing the same thing with with your blog and website? Maybe it’s a different medium and probably more extreme but it’s still very similar. But there is nothing wrong with saying the same things; as long as the problems still exist, someone should bring attention to them. The problem with raising awareness is when too much emphasis is placed on awareness and not enough action is taken. I trust, Jam, that you are taking action. I know you are.

  2. jamdonaldson on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:34 am #

    Its not that I mind talking and expressing ideas–i justfeel that the conversation hasnt evolved much over the last decade, which has made it uninteresting. If we have to keep saying the same things, perhaps that method isnt working. I’m taking action alright–I’m currently raising this glass of wine to my lips.

  3. lexdiamonz on 24 Jul 2008 at 10:25 am #

    gurrrllll thank you hell i thought it was me this show is not for us it is to gather the white sympathy vote for Obama. White folks have always regarded us as some type of exotic specimen that needs to be studied please give me damn 40 acres and my mule and leave me alone

  4. PJ on 24 Jul 2008 at 1:01 pm #

    Umm, if you’re a bad black person, so am I. Even the title suggests that it’s something that other races should watch to get a better understanding of black people. I know what being black in America is like. I’m black. I’m in America. Honestly, I’d rather watch Family Guy.

  5. nista206 on 24 Jul 2008 at 1:23 pm #

    Lol @ Lexidiamonz….. "Give me damn 40 acres & my mule & leave me alone!" That's right! You were def in my head on this one Jam. I actually put a reminder for this show in my phone a while ago…. but, I feel like I've been beaten over the head this yr about being black. I'm sure Obama has a lot to do w/ that. But, who knew that Jesse & the Kings would act a fool in the midst of it all….. so, I'm tired of the reminders, the analysis, the frustration, & the wait for resolution. Being Black in America…. hasn't it been the same for the past upteen yrs??? So, why the reminders?

  6. MissJay on 24 Jul 2008 at 1:47 pm #

    I feel where you’re coming from. I watched some of it between turning back and forth to other shows. It actually wasn’t a “panel” type program. They interviews a family and their extended family for a few months (I may have missed how long turning to watch something else).

    I watched the Hip Hop vs America II, caught the very last of it. I don’t know what to think about that show. I haven’t watched the State of the Black Union since last year’s. Especially since like you said they have the SAME PEOPLE saying the SAME THING over and over and over and over and over again. That’s annoying and in some cases brainwashing.

  7. Anonymous on 24 Jul 2008 at 2:50 pm #

    I am glad someone else has given up on Tavis Smiley.

    The last straw for me was waiting on hold with Air Tran Airlines- their “hold” music sounded like a Tavis Smiley smooth jazz selection. And not in a good way.

    Sean K
    Seattle WA

  8. inthelou on 24 Jul 2008 at 3:13 pm #

    Jam – I agree with you 100%. Similar to what Lexidiamonz said, programs like these remind me of the nature shows on PBS. “Join us as we explore the wild, wacky, wondrous, but often dangerous world of . . .the black person.” It’s a little insulting. Black people have problems, white people have problems, latino people, Native American people have problems, and so on but rather than explore this on a macro level and discuss poverty, education, economics, govt policies, etc. that affect every groups, it’s always black people who are under the microscope. It gets very annoying after a while, especially as it often raises the same old generalizations and stereotypes.

  9. inthelou on 24 Jul 2008 at 3:17 pm #

    . . .and don’t even get me started on that narcissist Tavis Smiley. He only puts those conventions together just so he can make some more money, sell some more books, and anoint himself “Spokesman for Black America.”

  10. ConventBound on 24 Jul 2008 at 3:29 pm #

    I’m glad it’s not just me. If you are a bad black person, I’m right along with you. It’s like those conventions are the new civil rights marches. So, after we’re done marching, then what do we do? After we’re all done blabbing, what do we do? There’s always problem talk but no plan talk. Great, now everyone who watched knows everything anyone ever needed to know about black people and it only took two days to accomplish it. Problem solved.

  11. T.Allen-Mercado on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:29 pm #

    I tuned in out of sheer curiosity and honestly I enjoyed it. I watched it with my children who society likes to call bi-racial, although I know better.

    You’re not a bad black person, in fact I agree with you more often than not-oh check me out, perhaps that means I’m just bad too.

  12. Shag on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:33 pm #

    add me among the list of the bbp’s…cuz I don’t find it interesting either. I swear, give it five years, and they’ll be printing “understanding black people for dummies” manuals at the public library.

  13. Anonymous on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:34 pm #

    WHAT CAN IT HURT?

  14. tb on 24 Jul 2008 at 5:46 pm #

    I feel the same way as lexdiamonz, we are always on exhibit. However, I did watch it because I needed to know exactly what I was about to boo. I was pleasently surprised though. The parts about the grassroots organizations within the community needed to get some attention. Here’s hoping they get the funding they need.

  15. Ninjagirrl on 24 Jul 2008 at 6:52 pm #

    I haven’t watched it yet, except to randomly turn to it while watching something else, and then only because someone is emailing or texting me about it. I keep telling myself to watch it sooner or later, so like tb said since I havent watched I can’t give it thembs down… I have never really thought CNN (or any media) is the greatest portrayer of Black folks any other time, so I am not really sure what to expect. Good questions though, I mean is that show for us? Cause I already know what it is to be Black in America, as do my parents and their parents before them and so on…. so whose the show for? The children maybe? Are they really up watching CNN or is the pull of So You Think You Can Dance a little stronger? Are white folks watching to see what “the jigs are complaining about now”? Hell I know a lot of white people who are steady trying to be Black in America today too, I wonder if they watched, (doubt it though cause BET prob had something on thats was deemed a tad bit more important…like a Rick Ross video)

  16. Jayla James on 24 Jul 2008 at 8:18 pm #

    It’s cool to see so many responses that agree and disagree. I am on borderline. No, I hate hearing how black this and black that. We do not hear white this and white that and if we did…we yelling racist. Yes, I love to see news anchors who are black accomplish something and discuss it to a limit. Tyler Perry…yes, Oprah…yes, Tavis Smiley…yes. Educated in their own way and presents it to ALL people!!

    Love this blog!!

    http://www.jay-ja.com

  17. Quesha on 25 Jul 2008 at 2:20 am #

    i haven’t watched it…but i did dvr it. i want to check out how we are being portrayed for the white folks.

    it would be interesting if the next big program was called “being white in america.” now i know most sitcoms are predominately white, as are “reality” shows. but i want to know how they really live. gimme their secrets. let me see into their houses and their true thoughts and feelings. actually i want to tape them when they don’t know that they are being taped.

  18. N on 25 Jul 2008 at 2:52 am #

    You didn’t miss a thing! It was more of the same old same old…”Black folks are all poor and they are all criminals. Oh yeah, if they succeed, they date white people and get flack from Black folks.” I wish I hadn’t watched it…I’m mad now.

    http://www.blacksuperwomen.com

  19. Jefferson Sergeant on 25 Jul 2008 at 3:39 am #

    Yes, you are a bad Black person.

    CNN is the preeminent news organization in the world, their characterization of Black people in any manner is significant.

    As a social commentator you should’ve been there at 8:59 pm on both nights to view the lens in which your community would be depicted.

    Now do the right thing and put the liquor down and watch the replay.

    P.S. I said go!!!

  20. ~JaBe on 25 Jul 2008 at 12:57 pm #

    Jam,
    Once again, you’ve read my mind. I agree wholeheartedly with

    Fast forward five years and you see those same Negroes sitting on that same stage talking about the same shit. The mission unformed and ultimately fruitless, and worst of all Michael Eric Dyson and his too fast alliteration is just plain annoying.

    Unlike like you and many of my friends, I tuned in and tolerated part I, but part II was abso-freakin-lutely ridiculous. I’m not quite sure WHAT part II was trying to convey; I mean aside from shinning the light on what we see on the news e’eryday. I was tired and pissed at myself for staying up to watch and pissed at Soledad/CNN for airing the crap.

  21. GiveMeABreak on 25 Jul 2008 at 1:18 pm #

    I tuned in both nights because I was curious to see how CNN would handle this subject matter and there was no surprise. If this was to educate other groups about our plight, mission not accomplished. I feel like CNN reinforced some stereotypes that currently exist and some of the topics covered were not specific to Black people. It could have been any race in that particular situation. This series was almost as bad as ABC’s “Black Men and their Mothers.” I was livid when I watched it because the producers of the ABC show were acting like this was a novelty. It just pissed me off. The other thing about these little documentaries that bug me is the fact that they zero in on the “typical” perception of Black people. Our situations are as diverse as other races. Granted their are more of us in jail, but why are they there? See CNN didn’t go deep into that. Yeah they mentioned drugs,crime and violence, but they didn’t talk about why they go that route and it’s not always the issue of a father missing. It’s more to it. Honestly, I wish people would just stop labeling me and let me be a human being first. So what I’m a particular race or gender. If you get stuck on that then you miss that I’m damn funny and I’m an artist. I want to be judged by the content of my character, not by the color of my skin. Let’s talk about how we get to that place and stop showing the problem and actually do something about it!

  22. missterioso on 25 Jul 2008 at 4:20 pm #

    ::raises hands and sings ‘yoouuuuuuu are not alooone’:: Seeing and hearing the marketing promos got barely a glance from me. The urban radio stations ’round these parts are all up in arms/continuing the discussion this morning and I just. Can’t. Get. Interested.

  23. clarity on 25 Jul 2008 at 4:21 pm #

    Finally. Someone who understands me. I have been walking around yelling “The Emporer Has No Clothes”…apparently to my damn self because there are always these shows/debates on tv.

    “The solution to racism is excellence.” I love it.

    I haven’t even watched the special yet and I’ve got plenty of comments, which I’ll save for later or perhaps for my own blog. But for now, I just want to say thank you.

  24. Pretty_Girl08 on 25 Jul 2008 at 7:24 pm #

    I want to know who will this benefit? The people that have the power to change things already know the condition of our communities. I believe that the issues and solution starts with us and not some poorly produced CNN program.

    Sidebar- Soledad O’Brien is NOT African American. If anything, she would be hispanic because her mother is Cuban and her father is Australian. Since when have hispanics been open to claim their black? Ed Bradley, RIP, would have done this program some justice. I’m over these TV programs that try to highlight our issues and not highlight our good parts. We know its hard being black in America because we live here 365 days a year. I know that a taxi driver pulled over last night, saw I was black and kept going. I don’t need CNN to tell me this.

    If you want to help, find out what happened to Diamond and Tionda Bradley in Chicago.

    ::Drops mic and steps off soap box::

  25. Shirley on 26 Jul 2008 at 6:06 am #

    I actually, did not watch it on tv. However, I did look at some clips that were posted online. I also read a article by, Karen Hunter. I asked myself who will benefit or learn something they did not know, after watching the program.

    http://www.blacknews.com/news/whos_really_watching_black_in_america101.shtml

  26. Anonymous on 26 Jul 2008 at 4:06 pm #

    and you were right to skip it. it was a great disappointment. a long, ugly laundry list of all of our problems and 2-3 stories of those who have made it for good measure.
    i expected more. silly me. but after all the hype i figured they’d talk about the root of all these issues, where it started and why it is what it is. instead they told our story as if it was that simple and uncomplicated.
    C for effort CNN. next!

  27. nano404 on 27 Jul 2008 at 12:30 am #

    Didn’t want to watch it for the same reason…

  28. Anonymous on 27 Jul 2008 at 11:56 am #

    please veryone check out italian vogue – their issue has a black sister on the front and black models throughout. jam please talk about it.

  29. Anonymous on 27 Jul 2008 at 7:41 pm #

    I don’t have cable so for my friends who keep sending me “reminders” that it is “two days to CNN Black in America” that’s my excuse–and no, you don’t have to send me a tape/dvd.

    Also, I agree with those who say “I’m living ‘Black in America’ so I don’t feel a need to WATCH it”–so with you on that sentiment. Police brutality, check; rude salespeople, check; work and educational hurdles, check and check).

    Surviving Ignorance in White America might be a better topic for CNN to cover and one I’d get cable to watch.

  30. Mizz sunSHINE on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:22 pm #

    well….it was a glimpse into the REAL state of the black community. Pass whatever you and your friends discuss at a dinner party or Starbucks…. the black community is in a STATE OF EMERGENCY ….SO ANYONE who identifies with the black community and doest care about its state, is probelmatic.

  31. Get Togetha on 28 Jul 2008 at 1:22 pm #

    Jam.

    Black forums are nothing but diatribe. I sure there are panelist who mean well; but most are there to advance their careers, get speaking engagement money, and to hobknob. I’ve read the term “Poverty Pimps” on blogs and nothing could ring truer.

    As long as we feel sorry for ourselves and victimize ourselves there will be plenty of people that will have work.

  32. ms_mac on 29 Jul 2008 at 1:01 am #

    I may have watched if the show title was more interesting. Perhaps something like “Understanding The Difference Between Being Black and Being a “Nigger” in America” would have drawn me in.

  33. Anonymous on 29 Jul 2008 at 1:16 pm #

    I too was a little disappointed but stil wouldn’t have missed watching it. I wish it would have done more than highlight the same old pathology.

    Also Soledad O’brien considers herself Black because her Cuban mother was Black. There are many, many Black Cubans. They are descendants of the slave trade same as Black Americans. Cuba was a stop along the slave trade routes same as the U.S., Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, and Brazil.

  34. philosopher on 29 Jul 2008 at 4:32 pm #

    I do believe that we talk about these things in the hopes that someone (perhaps the majority) will take part and learn something about Black people and their lasting plight in this country. Too many people believe that things are fine and Blacks should stop complaining… when in fact there are still things most obviously going wrong in this country. It is unfortunate that you don’t promote communication of these ideas and you are tired of discussion. But sometimes we just need to talk about these things, to not only understand each other better, but to have others understand us too.

  35. jamdonaldson on 29 Jul 2008 at 4:48 pm #

    Philosopher, i never have a problaem with discussion. my point was not that discussion was bad–only that discussion must evolve with the times in order to remain relevant. I feel that many forums for discussions today are simply repeats of dicussions we’ve been having for a decade. I’m just hoping we will figure out a way to evolve the conversation so new and innovative voices and perspectives are featured. CNN presented the same old dichotomy of liberal v conservative, when in reality most folks are somewhere in between. If we don’t explore that area, where most of us are, then the conversation necessarily lacks intellecual integrity.

    thats all im sayin.

  36. Jennifer on 29 Jul 2008 at 5:42 pm #

    If this had been on BET, it would’ve been laughed off television. But it’s CNN, and since black people are inclined to think the white man’s ice is colder, it’s getting rave reviews. THAT is our biggest problem, and I have $10 that says that CNN won’t touch that.

  37. cris monay on 03 Aug 2008 at 10:24 pm #

    that was really on point..and made soo much sense. I have the same sentiments about the situation.

  38. P. Kenneth Burns on 05 Aug 2008 at 1:56 am #

    Jam, between you and me (and the people reading this comment. I say let’s be bad together.

  39. jamdonaldson on 05 Aug 2008 at 2:52 am #

    Its a deal.

  40. Joe on 09 Aug 2008 at 4:03 am #

    I don't know about all of the black issue shows, whether televison or radio, the few I have taken in are boring. They do talk about the same things over & over again.

    I hear a lot of people constantly talking about how the government should fix things and then blame the government when things go wrong. Now why do we keep demanding an organization as incompetant and uncaring as the government look after us? That seems like a recipe for misery and failye to me.

    I like the blogs though. There is actually the opportunity for a wide variety of opinions to be read and not your the same old stereotypes the liberal media wants us too believe.

    That doesn't mean I ain't liberal even today's typical liberal will try to equate me with an Uncle Tom, Hitler if I were white, if I refuse to tow the line with regards to their idealogy.

    And I know where you are coming from about having too many choices. I am telling you parents need to put their foot down hard about some of the stupid choices we make. So many of us have wasted so much potential and that's the biggest shame about America.

    Remember, business only wants everything you got right here, right now, when they advertise to you or when you work for them. They could care less about developing your potential so that they could perhaps profit more in the future. Your potential, that's on you.

    Now more than ever, stop letting the government (even if it is 'liberals'), Hollywood, Madison Avenue, and the corporate media be a member of your trusted inner circle.

  41. Soulieo on 10 Aug 2008 at 6:14 pm #

    Peace & Love!

    It's been awhile since a sista's blog has peaked my interest.

    Before I give my comment, I Don't Hate The Player, I Hate The Game!

    I have mixed emotions about some of the content on hotghettomess.com.

    I feel some of your material will and can be used to degrade your brothaz & sistaz in the struggle instead of helping them.

    Being a black man living in amerikkka, I have to look at all areas of people's activity & ask is this the best light for us.

    I have some more thoughts that I will save. I would like to see if you contact me first. The debator inside me can't wait.

    As I Entered So Shall I Leave: Peace & Love!

    And Remember The Struggle Continues….

  42. Brian on 11 Aug 2008 at 4:17 pm #

    Gimmeabreak mentioned being judged by the content of your character.
    This idea seems to be consistently overlooked by the african-american community. Somehow basing our whole existence on the color of our skin and focusing on how we are mistreated and neglected because of our complexion. I think this is what is getting old.

    The quote: “The solution to racism is excellence.” Probably the most enlightening point made.

    African-Americans need to broaden their scope and knowledge about what it means to be black in the world…not just in America. To assume that a person of African descent is not black because they were not born in America or because they do not speak English is an example of the ignorance that is widely accepted here in America.
    Why is it that Africans, Jamaicans, Afro-Cubans, Nicarauguans, Brazilians, Dominicans, Haitians,etc. can come to America suffer the same prejudices and racism and become successful in America? Are they sellouts?
    You haven’t seen poverty till you have visited a third world country…and somehow I don’t think a foreigner really cares if you thought of them that way. They just came here to fulfill their dreams and they worked hard to make it here.

    Also, I really don’t think the issues of unemployment, high gas prices, foreclosures, unregulated high interest rate cards, etc. are only affecting African-Americans in this country.
    We all need to realize that the motives behind the crisis in America goes way beyond issues of race.

    Bitchin’ and moanin’ about 40 acres and a mule is not going to solve anything. African-Americans need to look forward and move forward. Nothing is ever going to be handed out to you. So get that notion out of your mind!
    Get yours!
    Otherwise, the people from Africa, India, China, Pakistan, Caribbean, South America, etc. will come here get theirs right in front of your face while you sit and complain at your round table discussions with Tavis Smiley and Michael Baisden. “That’s right I said it!!”

    If you work in the corporate world you know what I mean.

    I was born in America to Jamaican parents who came from nothing and I know my roots.
    Change your attitudes pass that ambition on to your children.
    I’m not saying our color is insignificant to our struggle.

    I’m just saying stop focusing on that alone.

  43. threewaystotakeit on 12 Aug 2008 at 3:25 am #

    I just happened to read this entry. Though my response is a bit late, I had the same thoughts about the Black in America series. I don’t understand why I felt like it was a duty to watch that for 2 nite. Granted, it gave me fodder for a blog entry.lol. I went to work the next day and nobody cared to talk about it, except the other black guy in my office. I don’t think it was intended for black people to watch though.

  44. Anonymous on 12 Aug 2008 at 5:23 am #

    NO YOU ARE NOT A BAD BLACK PERSON! Clearly Black in America was just something shown to other non black black people in order for them to get “insight” to what was happening in black america. Now white people can walk around pointing at blacks with “facts” that were shown on Black in America. Isnt the hispanic population close to that of african americans? Whats up with the Hispanic in America special?Who cares right? Its always all about black people. Black people count for this, that, and the third. Blacks have the largest blah, and blah, blah,blah.Please get over us people.

  45. lighternowNo Gravatar on 24 Aug 2008 at 10:37 am #

    I watched it. And it was pointless. Just like every convention, special program, documentary, gorund breaking television series (yes, I’m talking to you, HBO) that only furthers the belief that white society has about blacks. Keep showing us in a negative light, not only are we perceived negatively, but then we also begin to see ourselves negatively as well. And the cycle continues. But there is so much more to being black in america than cnn could show in 4 hours. I’m pretty sure that I can speak for many who have posted here by saying MY individual life is more complex than 4 hours… let alone the lives of millions of americans who it purportedly portrayed. I wonder what a fox special would look like… hmm.

  46. TimNo Gravatar on 03 Sep 2008 at 10:11 am #

    Great post. I agree with it 100%. I’m so tired of people talking about their issues instead of getting on with living.

  47. SpinsterNo Gravatar on 06 Sep 2008 at 2:48 pm #

    I haven’t watched that mess on C=Span in a few years either. Same s–t, different day, no solutions, no solidarity.

  48. MarindaNo Gravatar on 08 Sep 2008 at 1:13 pm #

    Youall make some good points, but consider that my attention was brought to the CNN series by a new immigrant from Africa. He was learning things about the Black American experience that he had not heard before. Other immigrants, as well, many of them of color, need something to balance the negativity with which African-Americans are so often associated. So I am not resenting those trying to bring information to the ignorant.

    And for those of us already in the know, what are we doing about it?

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