Friday, April 2, 2010

TEABONICS: A Look at the Creative and Often Misspelled Signs of the Tea Party Protesters

87 Responses to “TEABONICS: A Look at the Creative and Often Misspelled Signs of the Tea Party Protesters”

1. myvoicetoo on 03 Apr 2010 at 9:17 am #

   I’ve seen so many of these signs with bad grammar on them….I forget exactly what the sign said but they used “know” instead of “no”. I’m thinking, “really, you want English as the only language, but you can’t get it right yourselves!”

2. MrShabazz on 03 Apr 2010 at 10:50 am #

   These are some really ignorant folks. Republican talking heads like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck have got these folks believing that the world is about to end any minute now.

   Don’t forget that doctor in Florida who refuses to treat patients who voted for Obama.

   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36152956/ns/health-health_care/

3. JoAnne on 03 Apr 2010 at 11:03 am #

   I love it! It is sad that people don’t know their own language. English is my second language (French first) and I spell better than a lot of native Americans. I hold schools and lousy teachers responsible.

4. KIM B on 04 Apr 2010 at 9:27 am #

   Oh well, they did try; I guess they didn’t realize that spelling was something they would have to use even after they graduated from high school.

5. Kellye on 04 Apr 2010 at 3:50 pm #

   This is just another way to show how ignorant some people can be. JoAnne & MrShabazz, you are spot on, although I also hold their parents responsible as they are the ones who planted the initial seed of hatred in their hearts and minds.

6. Shane on 06 Apr 2010 at 9:37 am #

   I’m trying to figure out how someone can spell “lose” correctly once, then incorrectly in two different ways.

   It’s right up there with those who demand “Keep the government out of my Medicare!”

   http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/surveys/2009_Archives/PPP_Release_National_819513.pdf

7. Adjuvant on 07 Apr 2010 at 3:44 pm #

   The Tea Party caters to the poor, ignorant, Whites in America, who’ll believe any crackpot with a forum to spread disinformation. As you can see from the signs, most of these people probably have a hard time reading, so all they can do is listen to the likes of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

8. Hypestyle on 08 Apr 2010 at 10:03 pm #

   What trips me out is the handful (can you call it a handful?) of black (and maybe brown) folks who are in the mix at some of these Tea Party rallies..
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ThQezJH6E&feature=channel

9. Cait on 12 Apr 2010 at 6:19 pm #

   I wouldn’t necessarily blame all teachers for the poor grammar and spelling of these people. Most of them are there because they are uneducated and bigoted - other common symptoms of having dropped out of school or being from areas that are too poor to have quality schools.

10. THERREN DUNHAM on 13 Apr 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    Folks, what we’re looking at are examples of society’s real losers.

    These are the people who pride themselves in believing they are defending their freedoms by any means necessary, but cower and hiss at the images and ideology of the man who coined the phrase. They’re quick to question the citizenship and patriotism of their elected President but fail to appreciate that the first person to spill his blood in the cause of American independence was of African ancestry.
    [BTW: if you are a child of an American citizen, that makes you an American, REGARDLESS of where you were born. Ask John McCain (born in PANAMA).]

    These are the people who equate Ethan Allen with high-end furniture, and to them Paul Revere’s only meaningful occupation was to simply ride a horse in the middle of the night, yelling at people.

    They fear the erosion of the Constitution, yet they likely couldn’t spell preamble (much less recite our Constitution’s verbatim) if a Tory held a musket to their children’s heads. They want more stringint rules for Immigration, but could not pass a citizenship test themselves.

    They preach that this is a Christian land, whereas many of the founding fathers were atheist. They never seem to get that the original Pledge of Allegiance never had the words, “under God;” that was a 50’s write-in to stick a thumb in the eye of the impending Communist threat. Never mind that many of the people in those pics appear to be old enough to have recited the original POA in grade school.
    (FYI: just because I happen to be a God-fearing son of a pastor and grandson of a deacon, doesn’t mean that I have to disregard historical fact.)

    These are the very people who blame outside forces, non-sequitrs and social boogeymen (affirmative action, illegal immigration, quotas, and big government) for outcomes in their lives that were very much in their control (THEIR hyper-spending, THEIR adherence to dead industries and THEIR failure to take advantage of all the opportunities around them, i.e. MOVE to where the jobs are, and get the SKILLS to land one.) In their hearts and minds, the only acceptible undocumented worker scamming the government is a middle aged plumber without a valid license, who fails to pay his property taxes.

    These trade-in-the-USA, keeping-it-real-fake patriots are the ones whining about the government on the verge of becoming a client state of Red China (while discreetly pledging their financial allegiance to China by buying their lower-priced goods from Wal-Mart), and driving Canadian-made Chevrolets and Mexican-built Fords while turning up their collective noses at that Hyundai (or, God forbid, that Mercedes Benz some liberal must be showboating in!), both of which are built by AMERICAN LABOR in Alabama. They’d rather be seen in a Dodge Ram built across the border than in a full-sized Toyata pickup built in San Antonio.

    Never mind that the top-selling make in China is, of all brands, BUICK; what are the odds that in a few years, many of these people will be driving China’s CHERY vehicles? Or working at their dealerships? Even owning a store and selling one to YOU?

    THIS is what the face of America’s failure looks like. It’s more than just a bunch of uncouth individuals with bad grammar. It’s the steadfast belief in a false premise by equally selfish and disingenuous people who possess no sense of what they’re talking about. The fear is not in ignoring these morons. It’s solely in continuing to lend them credibility that’s unwarranted.

11. Kellye on 13 Apr 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    THERREN DUNHAM, after reading your post I wanted to cry because you are oh so right. What a sad sad day when some of the “adults” in our country are “proud” to show the world their ignorance!

12. Sue on 14 Apr 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    John McCain III was born on August 29, 1936 at the Coco Solo Air Base on the Atlantic side of the Panama Canal Zone, which was United States territory at the time. John McCain was not born in a foreign country.

13. i am a communist on 14 Apr 2010 at 9:07 pm #

    im going to infilltrate a teaparty and right some bad signs against Obama that is very raceist becuase I no teabaggers are so stupid.

14. Counselor on 14 Apr 2010 at 9:27 pm #

    I am a supporter of the Tea Party Movement. I have bachelor of arts and juris-doctorate degrees, FINRA series 7&24 supervising stock brokers and, real estate licenses, live on photovoltaic power, and commute on a bike…I also boast 5 inter-racial kids,
    so query…am I am illiterate, forest raping, racist? or merely a citizen who believes the less government means less tyranny.

15. jam donaldson on 14 Apr 2010 at 9:51 pm #

    Finally a real life tea bagger responds. I will say first and foremost that I don’t put anyone downn for their politics. HOWEVER, I find the movement to be without credibility in light of the last 8 years. Bush took this country to hell in a handbasket. The deficit soared, civil liberties were compromised under the Patriot Act like never before and the poor were largely ignored while thr rich were catered to and made more money than ever. Bush sent our young men and women to die in Iraq in an unnecessary war. Yet, this “movement” was silent. Where were the teabaggers then? When the country was in crisis?

    But as soon as Obama is elected and tries to dig this country out of the hole actually wants to give your mostly broke asses some jobs and health insurance — THIS is what spawns your fierce uprising? THIS is what makes you soooo angry?

    Whether you agree or disagree with specific policies, what has Obama done but try to save this country from the disaster Bush left in his wake? And NOW you all are mad? WHERE WERE YOU? Can you see why your movement is looked upon with a skeptic eye? The notion that you all were silent while Bush wrecked havoc on our country, then a black man is elected, tries to turn this country around and now SUDDENLY there’s a movement against HIM? RUFKM?

    Something is rotten in Denmark. Besides, while you may have a fancy schmancy education, lets face it, most of those folks couldnt define socialism if their life depended on it. And they couldnt spell it if you gave them the “social” part.

16. THERREN DUNHAM on 14 Apr 2010 at 10:55 pm #

    For Sue: while I appreciate the sact that someone took the initiative to fact-check whatever people write on these things, what Wikipedia DOESN’T say (and you should really list your sources if you’re just gonna copy someone else’s info verbatim) is that while technically it is true that McCain was born on a US military reservation, it is the fact that said reservation was on foreign soil that granted him the privilege of dual citizenship until age 18. As an army brat, this is common knowledge. As an educated citizen, I have to point out that your point, however well-intentioned, makes a distinction without a difference. Nice try.

    For Counselor: the fact that you boast an education, artifacts of affluence, a pseudo-communal lifestyle and a modern-day Diff’rent Strokes at home, makes you neither a neanderthal nor a supporter of small government. Like all grassroots efforts, this movement of fraudulent, wannabe colonials crosses all spectrums of society. Unfortunately for your cause, the people depicted in these photos and on Fox News are the face of that movement. For the rest of us out there, they represent what you stand for, what you wish to accomplish. In fact, many of them would look at you with your stockbrokers, your JD, and your multiracial kids, and see nothing but a poseur and a fraud.

    You may feel solidarity with them, but do they really feel the same about you?

17. Cathee on 18 Apr 2010 at 11:09 am #

    I love this blog! I learn so much, and admit finding comfort in like-minded posters. I agree with you Jam, something’s rotten in Denmark! (RE: Now that Obama’s in office, all of these conservative protesters - where were they when Bush went to war illegally?)

    I have a couple of questions, hoping someone can help. One is: if we are going to be required to have medical insurance, is there going to be any program provided on a sliding scale for those of us too poor to buy insurance right now? (I fall in the cracks, too poor to pay, too “rich” to get medicade as I have a small IRA account that disqualifies me. Funny, we’re encouraged to provide for our retirement, but when we do, we’re punished. No matter, I’ll probably be cashing it in soon, at a loss, in order to survive another 3 or 4 months. Seems the government would rather I be totally dependent on an assistance system than partially helped.) I’m thinking a single-payer system is good, but I understand it was dropped.
    My other quetion: is there any way to get the government to do the right thing?? IE: Start regulating the financial giants that brought this country to its knees, but get out of the business of telling private small business owners how to run their business? (Here in Michigan, the government just passed a no smoking in any business law - not just government buildings. A friend of mine will soon be unemployed as the restaurant she’s worked at for 46 years is closing because they’ve had it after 80 years of being in business and being pushed around as a small business. Most of their clientele smokes, and they will be losing most of their business. Personally, I think when it comes to a private business, they should have the right to determine their own policies within the law. Should all McDonald’s be closed because the food is unhealthy? Why not outlaw smoking altogether? Where is that line drawn? When did freedom of choice get cancelled?)
    Looking forward to any answers, as I am really puzzled at the back-asswards way I see things going.

18. Neil on 19 Apr 2010 at 7:48 am #

    @Cathee
    First, here’s a good summary of the health-care bill: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000846-503544.html. Yes, you might qualify for a subsidy, and the health-care pools, though pretty much unproven, may make a big difference, too. Second, 2014 is the pivotal year, where most of the requirements and most of the help kick in. Regarding your retirement, this breaking of the social contract to line the pockets of the rich goes back at least to the Reagan administration’s union busting, when larger companies slipped out of their traditional pension responsibilities and Wall Street said “trust us with your future.” My retirement plan is to work until I die. Finally, regarding smoking bans, your friend’s employer should check out the years of experience documented in other states and localities that have banned smoking. It generally ranges from no noticeable effect to a huge success for small business. So they shouldn’t punk out when it’s about to get better for everybody. Regarding when did freedom of choice get canceled… whoo, that’s a big dog. Yeah, I don’t mind if you choose to blow your brains out, but watch out where that bullet goes after it exits your cranium. What I’m talking about is the effects on others, not just directly (people who smoke around children–ANYBODY’s children!–make me nuts), but in the gigantic social costs that we all have to pick up for their “freedom of choice.” No man is an island.

19. AML on 19 Apr 2010 at 11:47 pm #

    Therren - PREACH!!!

    Jam - Obama is black, plain and simple. I’ll be damn glad when these pussyfoots searching high and low for something, ANYTHING, to condemn him on and just SAY IT!!!

    Counselor - It doesn’t matter how many biracial kids you have, how many black/other chicks you’ve done/lusted after, you can’t stand the fact that this black man is running your shit! Take them back to history Therren…

    Sue - borders, schmorders. Hawaii is a STATE legally and these nuts are still arguing O’s American birthright.

    Cathee - how in the hell does one work for a restaurant for 46 YEARS and cry foul against the government?

    Whew! y’all are killing me!

20. AML on 19 Apr 2010 at 11:49 pm #

    Therren - PREACH!!!

    Jam - Obama is black, plain and simple. I’ll be damn glad when these pussyfoots searching high and low for something, ANYTHING, to condemn him on just SAY IT!!!

    Counselor - It doesn’t matter how many biracial kids you have, how many black/other chicks you’ve done/lusted after, you can’t stand the fact that this black man is running your shit! Take them back to history Therren…

    Sue - borders, schmorders. Hawaii is a STATE legally and these nuts are still arguing O’s American birthright. Eff McCain. He shouldn’t have started it.

    Cathee - how in the hell does one work for a restaurant for 46 YEARS and cry foul against the government?

    Whew! y’all are killing me!

21. Jenn the hen on 27 Apr 2010 at 7:48 pm #

    thank you!

22. Cathee on 27 Apr 2010 at 11:19 pm #

    Neil- Thanks for the response! Very wise one, you are; though I still am a bit queazy about where we draw the line on personal rights…right to conduct a private business…where do my rights end and where do yours pick up and who decides? As I mentioned before, there’s every reason to restrict fast food places if protecting others is the concern (families of people with heart conditions, stroke, etc. that result from poor diets, etc. are also victimized) I often lean towards choice, and will fight for your right to choose too. Like you, though, I believe we should protect our children until they’re 18, then they get to choose like any other adult…and be responsible to their choices.

    (to AML: WTF are you saying?)

23. THERREN DUNHAM on 29 Apr 2010 at 1:48 pm #

    Cathee, if I may:

    I can’t speak to your particular problem (except to say that being an entrepreneur is not a bad problem to have), but I’d like to offer my two cents on your question of personal rights.

    Perhaps this is a reflection of my military upbringing (and career), but I deeply believe that anything that is or can be regulated, licensed, or restricted by law is not a right, but a privilege.

    Rights are something that cannot be taken away (life, liberty, and the PURSUIT–not the ATTAINMENT–of happiness). Privileges can be forfeited or rescinded by the will of either the individual or prevailing authority.

    Thus, while you may have the RIGHT to own a business in general, jurisdictions can determine how you run and what businesses you can have at their discretion. You can be a farmer, for example, but you can’t grow opium.

    Expanding this premise for clarification, you don’t have a right to a job, and you don’t have a right to YOUR job (which makes sense since it doesn’t belong to you anyway; it belongs to your employer). You don’t have the right to drive, or drink alcohol, or smoke; these practices are regulated, and certain criteria must be met before you can do them. You don’t have a right to attend a state-supported school. And, second ammendment be damned, individuals don’t have an absolute right to carry firearms (we don’t have government-acknowledged militias anymore; and far fewer people are in the National Guard, which would be the most logical successor).

    Two points I’d like to leave you with: one, we have far fewer “rights’ than we think to begin with, and two, if we look at these so-called erosion critcally, we find that these restrictions are not made by the federal, but by STATE and LOCAL governments. If you feel suffocated by government regulation, then you have your governors, state legislators, mayors, councilmen, etc. to thank. Not Bush I or II, and not Obama.

    And that’s where I think the teabaggers go wrong. There are just as many conservatives restricting what you can do within your localities as liberals, and they’re all in your own towns. So why don’t these people march on Austin? Or Lincoln (Nebraska)? If Washington told AZ’s governor that she’s on the hook for funding the enforcement of her immigration law (as it should), where are they going to vent? And who wins in the end? Hint: not YOU!

    The whole sorry saga reminds me of what was said about the Civil War being a rich man’s battle poor man’s fight. People are getting played left and right because they consistently fail to appreciate that all politics are indeed local.

24. Kellye on 30 Apr 2010 at 12:11 pm #

    Therran, once again you have made me stop, think and possibly changed my way of looking at things. Thank you!!!!

    I love reading people whom, like you, can make me do that. You are a deep person, one who the country needs more of!

25. Cathee on 05 May 2010 at 6:58 pm #

    Kellye- I whole-heartedly agree with you about Therran. Thank you for pointing this out.

    Therran- My sincere thanks to you. As Kellye said, you give cause to think, and reconsider. You are a gift.

26. Kellye on 05 May 2010 at 9:45 pm #

    Cathee-I only wish that I could write my thoughts as eloquently and intelligently as Therran and Jam do…I have a tendancy to ramble, go off course and leave myself (and everyone else!) wondering what in the world is that girl talking about!!!!!

27. Trisa on 19 May 2010 at 4:43 pm #

    I’ve seen just as many misspelled signs from liberal protesters. If you sample enough pictures of signs from ANY group, you’re going to find 8 or 10 with a misspelled word or two. What does this prove? That all republicans are illiterate? It makes no sense. This reminds me of all the people wearing Obama T-shirts in mugshot pictures floating all around the ‘net. Like that’s supposed to prove all liberals are criminals? Come on. We’re smarter than that.

28. jamdonaldson on 19 May 2010 at 6:26 pm #

    Noone is generalizing all right wingnuts, at least im not. Those signs were just so darn funny. Lighten up.

29. THERREN DUNHAM on 20 May 2010 at 6:17 pm #

    Here, here!

30. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 26 May 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    These guys are idiots, and their ignorance is only matched by Obama’s politics. Bottom Line is, he is a socialist! Look what socialism and communism has done around the world….. Black or not, i don’t want to live in communism…. his words, “at a certain point I think you have made enough money”???????

31. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 26 May 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    @THERREN DUNHAM and everyone else on here, please stop letting the democrats pimp a whole race of people!!!! SOCIAL PROGRAMS-WELFARE AND MEDICARE are bankrupting states and the country…. democrats throw government money on things instead of finding solutions. WHY are blacks still democrats???

32. Kellye on 26 May 2010 at 4:31 pm #

    BLK CONSERVATIVE on 26 May 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    Say what??? Who said anything about which party any of us belong to??? You are reading something into these posts that I am not. Did you drink the tea?

33. THERREN DUNHAM on 29 May 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    First of all, BLK CONSERVATIVE, I’m a registered Republican in the state of North Carolina. Not that it was any of your business.

    Second, let me state fully and unapologetically that while I may register with the GOP right now, and I am an American always, I am and will always be black FIRST. My politics are BLACK. My interests encompass that to a point, but not exclusively. I don’t vote my party or my color. I vote my interests.

    Third, learn what the fuck socialism in America is all about before you show your ignorance on this blog.

    Expenditures on social programs are only about 2-3% of the federal budget. If states are going broke, then they need to look at more of their spending than food stamps and AFDC. And I’d rather spend a dollar feeding a poor child than waste a nickel investigating why some dude got head in a bathroom stall.

    Look, you want to debate the issues, that’s fine. But could you please explain to me and everyone else on here why you’re letting the people depicted in these images be the face of your movement? And what evidence do you have to support your claim that Obama is socialist? Is that not as absurd as Kanye West saying on live TV that W didn’t care about black people?

    I challenge you to show me a facet of this nation, from the very beginning, that wasn’t touched by socialism. Show me how we made it this far without government expansion and intervention.

    I challenge you to do what your bretheren have not: explain to this blog in detail just what the Tea Party movement’s platform can do to enhance black American life. And don’t give us that ‘rising tide raises all boats’ crap; talk to us about our specific concerns.

    Show us how you can solve the nation’s problems WITHOUT spending money or raising taxes. Who’s going to build the wall across the border? Who’s going to support immigration enforcement? Who’s going to pay for it?

    Reconcile the notion of a Christian nation founded by atheists.

    Lastly, you can disregard my questions, but answer Jam’s: where were you motherfuckers nine years ago? How come you’re talking shit now?

34. Kellye on 29 May 2010 at 9:18 pm #

    LOL…I love seeing you get pissed, Therran…as I said earlier in the posts, you do it so eloquently and intelligently! You go get ‘em!!

    (And could you come knock some sense into some of the people here in Eastern Oregon while you’re at it!)

35. Pilgrim on 30 May 2010 at 7:12 am #

    This ignorant fucks are ridiculously stupid. Someone needs to throw a dictionary, an encyclopaedia and then a Goddamn history book at them, so they can stop fucking shit up.
    These Teabaggers don’t even know what the hell they’re angry at. They just rant and rave about a Goddamn imaginary threat which they can’t even put a name to. Those ignorant fucks can’t say how American rights are being eroded, how America is becoming more Socialist, they can’t say how Obama is an illegal alien, they can’t even say why they disagree with Obama.
    Now I don’t mind people disagreeing with Obama - hell it’s healthy to do so. In fact I’m a supporter of him, but even I frequently criticise him.
    Here’s advice for those Goddamn Teabaggers:
    -Learn what Socialism means. You don’t have to agree with it, but just learn the meaning so you don’t throw it around.
    -Learn what the hell Communism is for that matter. Socialism and Communism are separate facets. I don’t agree with either hardline Socialism and Communism but I’m not shaking in my boots over some bullshit fear.
    -That also goes for learning what Nazism is.
    - Please tell me how your rights are disappearing. Please. I’d like to know how.
    -On that note, tell me your bullshit totalitarian conspiracy theory.
    -Oh, and tell me “it’s not because he’s Black or anything”.
    - Tell me how furthering healthcare is a bad thing. Come on, let’s see your BS reasons.
    - Please for the love of God read a frigging book. Seriously.

    Oh, and I’m going to pretend I never read BLK CONSERVATIVE. He is a stain on the underwear of life.

36. THERREN DUNHAM on 30 May 2010 at 1:11 pm #

    @ Pilgrim:
    LMBAO!!! That last line is just priceless!!!

37. Mike on 01 Jun 2010 at 10:59 am #

    @Pilgrim. Funny that this post was about signs with grammatical errors on them, and your 1st sentence has a mistake in it. Good job.

38. THERREN DUNHAM on 01 Jun 2010 at 11:12 pm #

    To BLK CONSERVATIVE:

    I was hoping that by now you would have given us your platform addressing my concerns and anything else you’d like to add about the Tea Party movement from a black perspective. I have to say I’m very disappointed that you haven’t so far, but I also understand.

    While I stand by every word I said to you, I’d like to approach you in a more civil tone. I’m doing so because what I don’t think you appreciate is that the people who give of themselves on this blog, people like Kellye (what’s up, girl!) and AML and Pilgrim and MzPoodle, these are some of many decent, intelligent, beautiful people here who share a stake in what direction our nation is going. They share everyone else’s concerns about the economy and crime and education. They may not go around waving the Constitution in the faces of every passers-by, but I’d bet anything that they are just as patriotic, God-fearing (or not, but that’s good, too) as you or I.

    These people are not lemmings. They’re not automatons or under the thumb of any type of “pimp” or party boss. They deserve to know why so said what you did, the alternatives you implied are better.

    I’m sure you feel a bit disrespected. Acknowledged. But I submit that for you to make inflammatory statements–telling people the equivalent of “You need Jesus”–and just walk away is even more demeaning than however mocked you and your cohorts feel.

    So, what was a few days past was a challenge is now an invitation, to you and/or anyone out there who speaks for or otherwise agrees with you. Because personally, I’d like to know. And we all deserve to know.

    Enough empty rhetoric already. Unless, of course, that’s all you really have.

39. Kellye on 02 Jun 2010 at 11:29 am #

    I love the way BLK CONSERVATIVE and Counselor come on, spout off and run away. As you pointed out, Therran, in your wonderful way, they have less concern about what is happening in our country then the average Joe on the street.

    Me thinks that they were more upset with the fact that Jam pointed to the signs and laughed…uproariously at that! It hurts their feelings, being supporters and all, of the Tea Party. :^)

40. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 04 Jun 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    Sorry guys i have been working! lol I didn’t read all of the comments as I don’t care what anyone else has to say. I am pro black! Pro this black typing… and I currently live in the south with some of the most ignorant people ever who aspire to do nothing in life but gang bang, make babies and collect a check! Welfare is how the system keeps us enslaved… It may not be all of the budget and definitely not the reason we are in the red but it’s what we can see… And i hate to see my people suffer and not aspire to do anything with their lives… America heavily helps every country but it’s own… Yes i forgot all about this site, but decided I’d check in… stain in underwear comment was funny, as I assume that guy SUCKS AT LIFE and whacks off to 30 second gay porn clips…. oh excuse me that was unnecessary much like your comment hahaha… My whole deal is Obama just wants us to be another nation, I like to think of America as a Great Nation thriving on and in Capitalism

41. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 04 Jun 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    socialism-social health care-it sucks– look at medicare and the state of Massachusetts– I know what socialism is, I’m not stupid—any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods—health care government run hmmm first start out by controlling health care…. all the new jobs being created are government jobs…. ring a bell…. I’m not retarded

42. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 04 Jun 2010 at 5:27 pm #

    oh excuse me for my quick jab and slow return… i deal with idiots everyday and that particular day i was quite upset… i wasn’t accusing the people on the site of being democrats i really wanted to know why blacks still voted that way… and the whole “AT A CERTAIN POINT I THINK YOU HAVE MADE ENOUGH MONEY”-OBAMA…. statement had me baffled….

43. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 04 Jun 2010 at 6:25 pm #

    And one more! I act alone free thinker, I live in the city where Martin Luther King Jr. was murdered and if he saw it today would commit suicide and give up. The ignorance is overwhelming in this city, I find myself sickened by the sites I see on a daily basis… I don’t party with tea, because down here half of the party probably still keeps a noose in their truck… I care about what’s best for me and my family first, and how I as just one man can make a difference in the black community for the better without being called an uncle tom or radical lol

44. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 05 Jun 2010 at 11:45 am #

    communism-A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

    Obama-spread the wealth–aka you’ve made enough money help the poor with your hard earned money

    that is for mr. underwear stain face ass—
    my comments seemed quick and fleeting but don’t get me wrong i have more degrees than a thermometer

45. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 05 Jun 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    Obama-have your read his book? “dreams from my father”
    excerpt–
    To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.

    —that’s right i read and study before i spout off— FACTS!!!

46. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 05 Jun 2010 at 12:31 pm #

    @THERREN DUNHAMN– your right raising taxes or gov. spending pretty close to being the same. and have seemingly proved effective for pulling us out of recessions and depressions. More so government spending. If you look up Keynesian principles adopted from John Maynard Keynes you will see these are the economical ideas America is currently working under as we speak. He believes MORE government spending will pull us out, and his views are what we have been using for years. I don’t like it but I can’t argue facts, I just believe we currently have a lot of wasteful spending all around. We as a country need to refocus our spending on us first, and then on areas that will better American culture. If we slowly draw out of this win-less skirmish/war and redirect that money on our citizens I honestly think we will be in a better situation.

47. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 07 Jun 2010 at 4:37 pm #

    oh and Bush sucked TOO!!! Bailouts??? Someone ran themselves into the ground and you give them money… doesn’t sound smart to me…
    i thought he was socialist as well
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/republicans-slam-bush-as_n_154175.html

48. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 07 Jun 2010 at 4:37 pm #

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/republicans-slam-bush-as_n_154175.html

49. THERREN DUNHAM on 09 Jun 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    Ok, I’ve read your comments. I realize that sometimes we use platforms to explain or extoll policies and beliefs, and other times we just want to be heard.

    BLK CONSERVATIVE, I hear you. And I say that with all respect. At the same time, you have yet to fully flesh out a single answer to any of my questions.

    I don’t know if it’s just a function of you guys instincly playing the victim or it’s just your nature to exhibit defensiveness when challenged, but you, Sue, Counselor and everyone else just cannot seem to get it together when it comes to explaining your platform. Not WHY you’re down with the team, but why there’s a team in the first place; it’s the whole “I’ve got their backs” thing–from WAAAAAAAAAAY back. And that’s just not right. You’re using these people to push your agenda but claim no responsibility for the fallout. And when these people are mocked and maligned (justifyably, I might add), you treat them more like frenemies than brethren.

    You don’t really believe in this movement. If you did, you would have given us what we asked for, and not merely supplied us with the same tired generalizations and empty rhetoric we get from all sides. You had a genuine opportunity to enlighten a lot of people, but you chose to make yourself look large at the expense of the people you should be defending.

    And thus, ultimately this teabagger um, “movement,” is destined to fail. Most of these people are cat’s-paws of the very people who are holding them down. Just like the old plantation overseer, or the shy, awkward kid that out of the blue, is thrusted into the realm of the popular kids without any rhyme or reason, these folks are holding on to dear life that somehow, by showing their asses in public, they’re finally somebody in this world, that for once they matter, their voices matter.

    And because of people like you, they don’t. Not when you decide that they’ve outlived their usefulness. Not when they can’t deliver elections. Not when they continue to walk in ignorance about how this nation evolved over two centuries. And not when the supposedly more affluent and educated amongst you refuse to give a damn about them.

    So yeah, I hear you. And I’ll STFU with the same question I closed with Sue: You may feel solidarity with them, but do they really feel the same about you?

50. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 09 Jun 2010 at 10:30 pm #

    ONCE AGAIN NOT DOWN WITH THE TEA! I just want to see my people and family do well. I outlined why and you did not pay attention… conservative yes, yelling and holding signs NO! Look up Star Parker and read her Uncle Sam’s Plantation book… that’s what I’m talking about… a little dose of Project 21 and my on view points… You hear the same stuff but have not recognized the difference… I don’t care about these loonies holding signs or people trying to say Obama isn’t American that’s not my bag. Just the same way I didn’t enjoy bush bailing out failed companies I don’t enjoy Obamacare and other things.—-Gov’t spending yes, gov’t wasteful spending no…. tis tis I thought you would get it

51. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 09 Jun 2010 at 10:34 pm #

    MY PLATFORM—more education and better neighborhoods for blacks, less violence and drugs in those neighborhoods…. MLK not dying in vain is my platform, he was a conservative as well as I.

52. THERREN DUNHAM on 09 Jun 2010 at 10:50 pm #

    No dude. Spell it out. Make it clear; bullet points are beautiful things. Explain how it works (or doesn’t work) for us. How is Obama Socialist/Communist? Where were you a decade ago? How is this hard?

    Your platform is no different from anybody else’s. and while MLK was a Republican, he was NOT, as revisionists want to portray him now as, a conservative. In fact, King was straight up REVILED by consetrvatives of all stripes, blacks especially.

    You say you’re not down with them but you spew the same rhetoric? Really? What’s next, you’re going to say that we’re your color but not your kind? C’mon, dude.

    You say that you weren’t saying that everyone on this site is a Democrat but you plead with us to not let them pimp us out? Like the way you seem to pimp the teabaggers?

    WHAT THE FUCK IS THE CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM FOR BLACK AMERICA? Tea party or not, that should be an easy question to respond to. Much easier than trying to lionize yourself or defending yourself against some of them.

    “I fuck with them but I’m not down with them?” Huh?

53. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 09 Jun 2010 at 11:49 pm #

    wow language mister tiss tiss, your so bright Mr! what’s your take on it all??? I never ever said I was down with them, and I have answered all of your questions. Your head is stuck up your behind and you want to believe I’m a tea bagger. Read sometimes, I mean really read that book I mentioned.. uncle sam’s plantation by star parker… 10 years ago i was a teenager, so hop on that say I’m a youngster…. Explain to me! How Obama is awesome and does not have socialist ties like he himself said IN HIS OWN BOOK!!! I’m down with you, your a peasant and beneath me…go ahead and cackle with your buddy’s and use profanity when you have no legs left to stand on… and move to Detroit and join the sweet tea party or better yet enjoy OBAMACARE….. your an Idiot and you suck at life… read my comments and the fruit i have left for you to snack on and realize I have answered everything and granted you the ability to educate yourself properly…. but like most your too lazy to read…. i bid you a kind farewell and God bless… or in your terms PEACE OUT!!!

54. THERREN DUNHAM on 10 Jun 2010 at 12:38 am #

    BLK CONSERVATIVE, I humbly and most graciously accept your concession.

55. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 10 Jun 2010 at 8:08 am #

    did not concede just merely went to siesta for the evening… If I don’t care for the masses who will?
    bullet point for Mr. No answers just anger

    -How am I wrong?
    -What’s your take?
    -Why are you so emotional?
    -How can you dispute my facts?
    -Why did you lie to this audience?—i answered your questions, so obviously you did not thoroughly read all my comments

    I want your opinion, which I’m assuming will be loosely based on fact and filled with lots of emotion. But your opinion or platform lol on why i’m wrong *which i’m not* and how your idea can hold a candle to mine

56. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 10 Jun 2010 at 10:10 am #

    -socialism-ish stuff has been here yes I agree

    -welfare as I stated may not be crippling the nation, but obviously social programs have not helped the black community–but helped encourage laziness

    -tea party movement now is ridiculous yes… Louder now than when failing companies were getting bailed out and money was being wasted

    -Obamacare-explain to me how it is good? once again I look at other social health care programs and Massachusetts

    -conservatism and how it would help black community… maybe if black community stopped spending like the government aka spending more than they take in… neighborhoods and quality of life in urban cities would be better… blacks make the least but spend the most… how is that?

    -how is fiscal conservatism wrong in any way?

    -government is there to step in only when needed, yes they have stepped in before. Keynesian theory even states that it’s necessary

    -wasteful spending needs to stop and proper spending needs to start—basically all I care about—

    -never did I say I was over taxed or anything looney

    —-so now please point out how you can disagree with bulleted FACTS—-

57. THERREN DUNHAM on 10 Jun 2010 at 6:16 pm #

    Pot, meet kettle, eh? This is going to be fun.

    Let’s start with the easy part. The standard definition of welfare (for our purposes) is any monies, services or goods provided by the state to serve, supplement, or assist the public. It is more than just food stamps or AFDC. If you accept that definition, then it follows that you must agree that any entity supported by tax dollars is a component of the welfare state. Sooooooo…if you attended a public school, drive on public roads, have a military defend your freedom, pay full market price for your produce…see where I’m going? CONGRATULATIONS, you are a beneficiary of the welfare state! So how do these things cripple anybody, much more so the black community? And since there are more white people on public assistance than blacks, shouldn’t THEY be crippled more?

    “Obamacare”–government healthcare–I promise you, works just fine. Ask your congressman. Better yet, ask a Soldier (like me!), Sailor, or Airman. Military hospitals are among the finest in the world. And what few services cannot be provided, the portability to other hospital systems is a breeze.

    You can’t help a people if you refuse to engage those people. You can’t solve their problems without understanding the issues specific to them. People will never accept your message as long as you keep them and your message at arm’s length. Thus is the failure of (black) conservatism in America.

    I don’t get down with NIMBY-ism (not in my backyard). The problem with people’s view of government spending/intervention/involvement is that people feel that they should get all they can out of it, but not allow government to care for others. Life is not a zero-sum equation; just because someone gains in this world doesn’t mean it comes at the expense of someone else. This thinking has to change.

    Fiscal conservatism is not a sin. But if one is to speak of cutting spending, it must be done accross the board, not just with those projects that are of little benefit to you. Also, no matter how expensive something is in the beginning, you have to look at the opportunity costs of not doing so, and the benefits that such spending can ultimately bring. I may not like dropping 500 bucks on a suit, but if I go on a job interview that pays $100K, you better damn well believe that I’m not gonna roll out there in a cheap Stacy Adams costume. Life is about results, and if dropping a bunch of money for old cars; or cutting interest rates; or paying for more troops to engage the enemy, or subsidizing mortages so that teachers, firemen and policemen can afford to live in the communities they serve, then I say spend the money.

    Going back to blacks and welfare: the average welfare recipient is off the dole in 2.5 years.

    You throw titles out but no quotes, no pages. Why is that? No one claimed that the POTUS is awesome, and many disagree with his policies (thus reinforcing the notion that black folks are among the fairest people in the country). But when Blanche Lincoln won her runoff off the strength of Obama’s support speaks volumes.

    You do come across as letting the teabaggers do your dirty work, while assuming no responsibility for the way they carry themselves. Where’s the conviction?

    If you acknowledge that socialism has existed all the while, and that government intervention has benefitted the nation as a whole, why are you so stringent against them? Are we to believe that this nation has always been purely capitalistic? Would you rather pay 35% more for your beef or 50% more for your produce? Do you want to go back to the days of twelve year-olds working 15 hour days in factories, or meat companies shipping hot dogs with fingers in them?

    You have given us no facts, just informed opinions (and that’s being quite charitable).

58. THERREN DUNHAM on 10 Jun 2010 at 7:09 pm #

    Look, I don’t want this to be a pissing contest, because all that will do is turn people off and de-legitimize the conversation. Jam, I’m sorry.

    That said, since I was asked to do certain things, I’d like to ablige him.

    TAXES: Nobody likes them, everybody pays them (or should, anyway). Many people smarter than me came up with a system that is meant to be RIGHT, not necessarily FAIR. I’m in favor of keeping the tax system as-is; nobody has come up with a better system.

    If you want to raise or cut taxes, it should be across the board. No corporate welfare, no tax refunds for people who don’t work. I’m neutral on the flat tax. If anything, healthcare, education, and highway expenses should be paid via sin taxes, traffic fines and the like.

    HEALTHCARE: I’m for universal healthcare. I can wait 5 hours to see a doc in the ER if I have a cold (and I would anyway, universal coverage or not). I would deduct the costs of caring for illegal aliens from any government aid we give to the nations they come from, and back it up with the threat of sanctions if things don’t improve.

    LOTTERIES: Personally, I’m against the lottery, not from a moral view but from a social view. I don’t like the idea of having poor people subsidize the college educations of those who can afford it. But if you’re going to have it, and the poor are going to benefit most from comprehensive healthcare, then maybe it should be heavily taxed and those proceeds go to paying for so-called Obamacare. Makes sense, no? I could see Indian casinos being exempt from that. I would make illegal aliens ineligible: they can play, but they can’t win. Unfair? Yes. But this isn’t healthcare, these are games of chance. It’s a luxury, not a necessity.

    ENERGY INDEPENDENCE: Mandatory. Heavy fines for not making EVERYTHING greener. Raise taxes on foreign oil. Ban offshore drilling. Find out what works in other nations, and seek ways to implement them here.

    GAYS IN THE MILITARY: As if they’ve NEVER served in history. Please. Repeal ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell.” Let them serve openly; UCMJ is more than enough to prosecute inappropriate actions.

    GAYS AND MARRIAGE: I’m all for civil unions for legal purposes (insurance, powers of attorney, health benefits, etc.). Marriage is not going away, it’s still a union between a man and a woman, everyone take a deep breath. You can call it whatever you want, and I will say nothing to you about it. But civil unions (be it gays or common-law between heterosexuals)and marriages carry the same weight and legitimacy in my eyes.

    GUN CONTROL: In my line of work, I deal with some of the most sophisticated and lethal weapons out there, so I have a great appreciation for the training and care it takes to sufficiently operate one. I feel that enforcement laws are adequate; HOWEVER, it is way too easy to attain a gun. I feel that before you can buy a gun, you should have a minimum of 20 hours of training, showing competency in firing, handling, cleaning, storage, and understanding of state and local laws. Gun ownership is NOT a RIGHT (seen any well-armed militias lately?) but a privilege.

    DRIVING: Like gun licenses, driver licenses should also be contingent on successfully completing training on driving, laws, ect. We already have that? Well, does your state mandate that you complete training on basic auto maintenance, as you are required to operate a vehicle in good repair? Thought so. I also feel that insurance rates should be based on your driving record, not your credit. High school dropouts should be banned from driving until they attain a GED or turn 25 (or whatever age the rates get lower. And YES, I said 25). Remember, it’s not a right to drive in the US.

    THE BUDGET: Freeze it. Raise taxes only if necessary, and have it affect the least amount of people. Cut redundant spending. Mandate that the budget is balanced, even if taxes must be raised. Incorporate financial literacy in high school curricula.

    MILLITARY SPENDING: DUH! You really think I’m gonna be against it?

    IMMIGRATION: Eliminate the automatic asylum/citizenship for Cuban defectors. It’s archaic, and we shouldn’t pick and choose our fave exiles for political purposes. Make passing the citizenship exam MANDATORY for graduating high school (take THAT, teabaggers!). Children born of illegal immigrants should have CONDITIONAL citizenship, provided that they graduate from high school and have not been convicted of a violent or drug-related crime. If they do not met these conditions, they are deported after incarceration and/or turn 18. If said citizen leaves the country without proper documentation, then citizenship is revoked and customary protocols must be met in order to restore citizenship.

    VOTING RIGHTS: Restore voting rights to ex-felons after 5 years or one presidential election cycle, which ever comes first.

    DRUG SENTENCING: No distinctions in sentencing between drug offenses. Mandatory minimums for drug use, traffiking, and related violent crimes. Go ahead and legalize pot: make it so that big pharma holds all the cards and take it out of the hands of the local drug pusher.

    PRISON SYSTEM: Complete overhaul. Ban counting prisoners as part of local population, siphoning federal dollars out of their communities and into areas where their populations are sparse. There is no reason that a virtually all-white town in Iowa should get as much federal funding for minority programs as Detroit just because there is a prison there.

    That’s just a few, BC. What you got for me?

59. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 10 Jun 2010 at 10:44 pm #

    Military man? awesome! thank you for your service first…

    -yes more whites are on welfare… but by percentage a MUCH larger percent of blacks are on welfare… you can easily look that up

    -military health care-that is a benefit for putting your life on the line and a perk of the job…. find me one country where socialized health care isn’t putting a major strain on the budget or crippled the budget

    –look at the crime rate in section 8 areas aka public housing…what benefit has that afforded

    –I’ll wait while you look up those numbers, If you need me to post the websites with exact numbers let me know–

    the things you mentioned would be nice, they just aren’t practical… gov’t intervention into the economy should be minimal and only when necessary

    -gov’t aide should be a temporary supplement, not a life long crutch

60. THERREN DUNHAM on 10 Jun 2010 at 11:04 pm #

    1. You’re very welcome.

    2. True, but I see it as a distinction without a difference.

    3. I wouldn’t call it a “perk.” A benefit of the job, perhaps. But many if not most would still serve without it. Point is that it works, it’s efficient, and compares favorably with the nation’s best civillian health systems.

    4. So, what’s the conservative plan for mitigating criminal activity in these areas? Gentrification? Repealing Section 8? I think crime regards no ZIP code, and that as long as we put the black underclass as the face of crime (mind you the majority of all drug and violent crimes are in SUBURBAN–read: WHITE–areas), it’ll always be like the kid who never grows up in his mother’s eyes. Not good, and accomplishes nothing.

    5. I’m always good for research, so I welcome the info. Thanks in advance.

    6. How so? Why is it impractical to promote responsible spending? And why can’t the government do it’s job? The point of having elected officials to begin with is that the public could not be trusted to do the right thing on its own.

    I think not only are most of my ideas doable, they are absolutely necessary if we are ever to have the results we want. Yes, it’s a paradigm shift, and it will come with great bitching and moaning, but so what if people get their feelings hurt? It’s the right thing to do, and if it means that I have to pay an extra quarter for my Blenheim Ginger Ale so that I can get free (if not cheap) health care (I know, moot point), then I’m all for it. Those who are alive with pleasure should be so grateful.

    7. Agreed. But if we are to stay true to that, but we can’t keep beating up poor people, who are constantly dealing with small budgets and long lines from government agencies to begin with, and who by and large are out of welfare within 3 years anyway, when there are so many other entities getting unwarranted government aid.

61. Kellye on 11 Jun 2010 at 1:25 pm #

    Therran….in reply to you, two posts back…
    I so agree with everything you say (especially ‘no tax refunds for people who don’t work.’) except for the following: “TAXES: If anything, healthcare, education, and highway expenses should be paid via sin taxes, traffic fines and the like.”

    The reason? I have noticed over the last few years that everytime they raise sin taxes, another group of people quit that particular sin. Oregon just had to revise their budget by 14.5 million because they had over estimated the new cigarette tax.

    Every other statement that you have made though, out to be sent to congress….and acted upon immediately!

62. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 11 Jun 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    -i see a difference, mostly like I said we need to take care of our own first… if we have such a HUGE majority struggling that is a problem

    -yes definitely a benefit

    -once again White crimes or drugs I don’t care about… they are the majority and only a minority of them are committing these crimes…. their numbers only appear larger because they’re more of them…but by percentage we are ahead by a great deal

    -My idea to eliminate large amounts of crimes –and you’ll love it because it takes gov’t spending, lol–
    -decrease size of area…. low budget housing? spread out distance that poor people are near each other 100 here 100 there

    -school system should be the same way, if you go to a crappy school…underpayed** teachers and 120 kids in your class over 10thousand kids in the school all from these seemingly violent neighborhoods—how will you learn?

    –spread them out give them a chance, hard to gang bang if there is not a gang for you to join

    –it would cost billions, but it would be worth it… increase education, lower amount of people in each crime riddled area… and you might find if kids learn something and don’t feel like they come from crapsville their self esteem will improve

    -graduation rates will improve, government dependence will drop…once again I’m just caring about my folks

    -38.9% whites on welfare
    37.2% blacks on welfare
    4times more whites than blacks easily….

    so that’s not good

    –I think with these changes we can curb if not ratify these problems

    –And I do think theoretically it would be amazing to have socialized health care, but as i’ve stated before find me one place where it isn’t hurting the government and doesn’t have a death list

    –cbc.ca canadian news look how much trouble the health care is costing, it’s expensive and eating up the budget and cost is growing at a faster rate than inflation

    –Name for me one nation with socialized healthcare where it works?

    –at a certain point people need to work, earn, and budget for themselves….

63. THERREN DUNHAM on 11 Jun 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Ok, I feel you. You like percentages, I think they’re misleading and regard raw numbers as the standard to embrace. I’ll wager that we’ll agree to disagree on that one.

    We’ve gotta stop painting ourselves into this corner of everything in black America being so dire. It’s not great, but it’s not even close to being that bad. When did we get to the point where we blindly accept every negative statistic about us? You know, I, too, bought into the lie that there are more of us in jail than in college, until it was pointed out (by GEORGE WILL of all people!) that there are some 300,000-plus currently incarcerated, but over half a million black males 17-24 attending traditional 4-year colleges. That’s not counting those in community colleges, those older than 24 or younger than 17, veterans on the GI Bill, those online or attending night school, or even grad school. Just those going to a traditional college. If that doesn’t compel you to question the statistics, nothing will.

    Your plan to further segregate people and ostracize them more than they already are is a false premise. It’s always been done, keeping the poor and dark away from the affluent. And major thoroughfares and industries were diverted from these areas as a result. What it does give us, however, is a fairly neat primer on how street gangs came about in history to begin with.

    Poverty and isolation CREATE street gangs, not reduce them. What region suffers the highest rates of gang activity? The south. Why? Because when you move the poor out of traditional areas, many of their vices go with them. And what better way to strengthen your gang than to make inroads in places where are none? You think you have white boys joining the Crips in Little Rock for nothing?

    And besides, what you’re proposing is called REDLINING. It’s unethical, immoral, and in many cases illegal.

    You can’t do the inverse of the doughnut hole theory and call it good, expecting that it will work. Yes, it wouyld take ENORMOUS amounts of money and infrastructure and TIME, just for your plan to have a chance. That’s money we don’t want to spend on poor folks NOW. I think we can do more by creating empowerment zones, tax cuts to minority small businessmen, PAYING BLACK FARMERS, and perhaps spending MORE on poor school districts than in affluent ones (how’s that for a change!).

    Military healthcare is the best example of how comprehensive medicine for all can work. And if we tax the living shit out of the things that make us unhealthy, then that will go a long pay in paying for it. (And this is for Kellye:) and if that means that people steer away from the smokes and the booze, thus ultimately lowering our health expenditures, wouldn’t that be worth it? I don’t disagree with you, I know that it must suck (and just how IS it in eastern Oregon, by the way? How do you manage out there?!), but one has to be creative and resourceful sometimes. If nothing else, use the lottery, and take heart that those thgings I mentioned are recession-proof.

    I’m a firm believer that when people know better, they do better. I guess I can say that because I’m living proof.

    Wouldn’t it be great if our elected officials would take the time to read these posts? I think it’s a beautiful thing to know that in spite of our differences, it nonetheless comes out so clearly that we all love black people. Anyway, look to hear from you soon.

64. Kellye on 11 Jun 2010 at 11:25 pm #

    Therren….LMFAO!!! We manage pretty damn well out here in Eastern Oregon! The best thing about it is that we are on the desert side of Oregon.

    I live in a very small town (about 3500 people) where I graduated high school 31 years ago. I am very involved in my community, doing volunteer work when I can & serving on the planning commission.

    We are a very diverse town - over half of the community is of hispanic background. We are fighting the gangs here, something that some of the people refuse to believe we could have an issue with…WTF do they think that the damned graffiti comes from? (Yes, it has been identified as gang graffiti.) We are also a good transfer area for large amounts of drugs, as our town is split in half by I84…about 3 hours from Portland and 5 hours from Seattle/Tacoma.

    I love the area tho’. I have tried to leave more then once, but always come back.

    You say that one has to be creative & resourceful. I agree with that….so when are you going to run for a state/federal office. You are exactly what we need. Someone who is intelligent, thoughtful, creative & resourcful!

65. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 14 Jun 2010 at 11:00 am #

    -Reverse doughnut hole, lol… I like that

    -We both are pretty funny when you think of it

    -I wanna move people around, spread the “poverty” so to speak lol

    -You wanna tax peoples freedom, you have the right to drink, smoke, get fat—taxing them more is basically instituting a Moral code

    -Now I’m a God fearing Christian, but Christian morality shouldn’t not be mandatory for everyone…. just obeying the laws of the land

    —back on reverse doughnut hole–
    how is it unethical to take someone out of a craptastic neighborhood separate them from their felony buddies—

    -No! I do not think all poor people are criminals

    –I don’t believe the hype of stats, but the News in the south makes me wonder…. Memphis’ crime was so bad they had to cancel their contract with first 48

    –I find it hard to believe Blacks are the worst at everything…as most polls or stats say
    anything that can be negative the black race is on it
    -aids-blacks highest case
    -homicides
    -high blood pressure
    -education

    so interesting to me how these stats come out and go without being researched by several committees

    —-I will have to look into the black farmer thing, you have it in all caps and I’m unfamiliar with that topic so I shall research it before I comment—

    -Elected officials treat us like notches on their bedpost, they sweet talk us, use us for our vote… then we are useless to them until it’s voter/booty call time again

66. THERREN DUNHAM on 14 Jun 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    You know, I really wish I cam claim that phrase…

    And I’m pretty sure we are getting a lot of yuks from folks in cyberspace. [:-D]

    In theory, I really do see where you want to go with that. Unfortunately, we live in a world where one benign theory becomes a series of malignant practices. Isolating the poor is counterproductive. Creating mixed-income neighborhoods and economic zones is a lot better.

    Outside of the ability to dig your grave with a spoon, the other things you mentioned are NOT freedoms, but privileges. Nothing is truly free that can be regulated, controlled, and/or taxed (which alcohol and tobacco are anyway, and have been for years). Although I’m big on so-called “sin” taxes, it’s not about any religious piety for me. It’s simply a function of weighing one’s rights and priviliges against one’s responsibilities. And sometimes those responsibilities come before your rights. Marlboros, Jim Beam, and even Happy Meals are LUXURIES, not necessities. HEALTHCARE is a necessity. And as a black man, a demographic who’s behind the 8-ball in far too many health disparities, I do not apoligize for supporting any initiative that and enhances our well-being.

    Back on the reverse donut hole: first, where are you gonna put them? A desolate area away from resources and infrastructure? Assuming we’re talking Memphis here, are you gonna ship ‘em out to northern Mississippi? Is Haley Barbour gonna sign up for that? And (drum roll please…) who’s gonna pay for it? Second, intellectually we know that all poor people aren’t drug pushers and looters, but when we associate poor with criminal, and both of them with black, why stigmatize them further? Third, and this is important, when you redline a community (that is, cordon off an area and identify it as minority, poor, crime-ridden), it gets easier to artificially inflate insurance rates, deny those “freedoms” you speak of like pizza delivery and transportation, racially profile the citizens, and delay those services they’d really need (EMT, fire, etc.) THAT’S what makes it illegal.

    a. Are you saying, dear conservative, that you support busing?
    b. You say they aren’t criminals, but you made them guilty by association. How do you reconcile that?
    c. Going back to the spreading the poverty around, there’s no need. It’s already touched us all.

    Dunno about the MPD, but either they could’ve used the money to fight crime, or they should have focused more on crime prevention and mitigation rather than making minor celebrities out of law enforcement. Either way, that’s one area I’ll respectfully defer to you.

    As they say, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Whenever I hear a questionable statistic, I consider the source first. As we all should.

    There’s no easy answer for that last point. The right thing is to hold off on voting until our voices are respected–but going back to what I said earlier about malicious practices and benign theories…ugh. And we tried twice to come up with a universal black voting block and failed. I think it will take a brave third political party to wake up the GOP and the Dems. Or we all vote and campaign as independents.

67. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 14 Jun 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    -I’m sounding more socialistic and liberal as i continue lol…GOV’T FIX POVERTY PROBLEM LOL.. I love my people… well most of us lol

    -Not separating them from society, but rather integrating them. Poverty has caused a second segregation

    -millions of communites hundreds of poor so to speak, spread them out in surrounding of outskirt decent areas-yes it’s wrong but

    – more right then 18 apt complexes of minimum wage earners raising 2-4 kids and 9,000 people with bad ideas all in a 2 block radius

    -SOME ALREADY HAVE BEEN SHIPPED TO NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI***funny you mentioned that, they closed and couple projects down and guided the people to Mississippi and of course go figure their crime rate went up

    -I am smart enough to admit, I’m not smart enough to finely tune the plan. BUT!!

    -I know for a fact shrinking hundreds of criminals breeding ground to and area with 10-20 people will put a dent in their play zone

    -I’m speaking from a Memphis mind, they almost had to bring the National Guard to Memphis a couple years ago because of the crime…. so this city is Sodom 2010

    -Better funded schools, with imported affluent Black teachers… a discreet secure presence without the feel of prison

    -better education, safer environment—you know giving them some of the things kids who have clearer views of a good future have

    —-sin tax

    -sadly i have to agree, they are luxuries

    -so will they tax condoms and birth control pills highly next?
    ==of course not it will lead to increase pregnancies and disease

    –this country proved during prohibition eras “we are gonna drink” lol

    –cigs and fastfood they don’t have to, but it needs social reform… healthy items don’t cost that much more…
    *grilled chick breast sandwhich $5
    *fried chicken breast sandwhich $1
    -no mystery why poor have health issues

    i don’t want to redline, doughnut reverse, i want to find a real solution

    giving money will not help, that’s like giving a fish

    we need to teach fishing and clean up the fishing area…. my tax dollars can go to that!!

    health care is a necessity, but not one I believe the government should fund… just from my research and personal opinion

    –racial profiling is clothes deep sometimes

    –you dress like a thug you get treated like one, that is the individuals fault

    –when i was younger i was into the hip-hop scene, grew older changed my style up…even in racist south–cops wave and rednecks hold conversations, granted about my pickup truck and racing but
    –THE WAY SOME OF US PRESENT OURSELVES KEEP STIGMAS AND PREJUDICES ALIVE

    –LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK—

68. THERREN DUNHAM on 15 Jun 2010 at 5:04 pm #

    @Kellye: I wish I could sometimes, but Uncle Sam hasn’t releasaed me yet (I have another 7 years), but maybe one day. Perhaps when I settle down in Oregon (LOL).

69. THERREN DUNHAM on 15 Jun 2010 at 6:41 pm #

    Ok, I’m gonna jump around a bit, so bear with me…

    Ultimately, I think the biggest question is, what the hell do we really want? Do we really want to do whatever it takes, however uncomfortable, to rectify the problems in our communities, or do we simply want to dance around pursestrings and policy?

    We cry and whine about healthcare, whereas pushups and situps are free. We lament the proliferation of cheap, unhealthy food but heaven forbid we tax the shit out of them. We all want to live as we want, and do as we please without consequence, but we don’t want to have to pay for someone else’s self-determination. And speaking of self-determination, we want to be seen as fully fleshed out individuals, but will stereotype each other in a minute. We’ll talk shit about some kid with his pants below his behind, but won’t summon the conviction (some would say courage), to go buy that kid a five-dollar belt.

    (And if you’ll forgive my digression, I’ve seen too many classic episodes of Soul Train featuring dudes wearing their momma’s blouse and some shiny-ass gold lame pants, rocking some Rick James-inspires braids with beads and sequins in them, kicking and gyrating like someone spiked their industrial-grade jock itck powder with poison ivy. As if anybody wanted to see their Hai Karate, either. I dunno, maybe dudes dress like thugs today because they see how their counterparts carried themselves back then, and decided they wanted to be seen as men. Looks and walk like a duck, indeed.)

    Nice counterpoint about condoms and BC pills (as one could assume they promote “sin,” too.) But I submit that if you took the word sin and replaced it with smart, you will see why tobacco is taxed but not condoms. You are not going to tax something that, when used as directed, more often than not will produce a benefit to society, because that isn’t smart. And in the same vein, it isn’t intelligent to NOT tax something that, when used as directed, more often than not will produce a burden on society, via increased health costs, premature death, and lost productivity. Now granted, every action carries the risk of some unintended consequence (which is why I stop short of saying that birth control should be tax-free), but if people are entitled to assume activities that are a potential detriment to society as a whole, whether other members of that society participates in these same activities or not, then it is more than acceptable for those other members to insist that those people pay dearly for that privilege.

    I want to go back, if you’ll kindly allow, to backtrack to a provision I supported earlier on this thread. Upon some research and further clarity, I cannot in good conscience support a limited citizenship ammendment for US-born children of illegal aliens. Little thing called the 14th Ammendment keeps it from passing the sniff test, which is a GOOD thing, in essence, because one’s rights should not be infringed because their parents run afoul of the law. But, it still fails to answer the illegal alien question, and I still stand by reducing foreign aid by the amount we spend to care for them. I think it falls on the proponents of keeping illegals here to find viable solutions. After all, something’s gotta give.

    I think we both agree that indiscriminate spending solves nothing. We must be smarter about where we allocate our funds, and expect more from the people who receive them. BUT, as we do so, we must also learn from this economic crisis (whenever we get out of it), that just about all of us are one pink slip, one sick child, and one unexpected death away from walking hand in hand with the very people you seem to scorn.

    We forgot that people in America want to work. They want to have dignity in their walk. You really think that people in the hood want to sit at home and collect a check? You think that every young man trapped there wants to sling dope? You think that if someone offered them work that paid them a real living wage, and they had people in place that promoted financial responsibility, that they’d resort to gangbanging nonetheless? I don’t. I CAN’T. We haven’t done enough to justify that claim. And no, not every kid wants to go to college (or should), but he or she should have the tools to be a contributing citizen in life. We get so wrapped up in attending college (including my UNC-Chapel HIll ass to my son–poor thing!) that we forget that there are a lot of beautiful people in the world who never had that, many of whom paved the way for us to get ours.

    Good News! Many of our tax dollars actually go to social programs that do teach people how to fish (literally), as well as learn self-sufficiency (which is what I know you meant).

    Crime, wealth, and poverty are fluid. Moving around poor people doesn’t necessarily increase wealth, and it may spread the crime around.

    And about the Obama=Socialist thing: socialism is a way of life. It’s always been here in various forms, it’s still here, and it’s not going away. Obama didn’t invent it, and he’s not a adherent to it. We all play the came, consciously or not, and we’d better get over it. Capitalism implies that there are winners and losers; it is Darwinistic in nature. Thus, those who have means will inevitably succumb to those who do not, because a larger, bloated entity will see no impetus to evolve. People will always demand things that are faster, better, and cheaper. People will always hire individuals that produce more revenue per metric of productivity than expense. Thus, the people who complain of socialism are in fact the ones who are the biggest losers in capitalism. They failed to understand the rules of the game, and their stagnance proved costly.

    I don’t speak of Memphis because I don’t know Memphis. I’m not surprised that N. Mississippi saw a spike in crime (see above). You can’t do laundry by stuffing your hamper in your neighbor’s closet.

70. Kellye on 15 Jun 2010 at 6:55 pm #

    @Therren…ok, I’ll be patient…maybe! Lol! Seven years huh? You’re a good man.

    This is to both of you…you both have some ideas which I, as a voter, would love to see come to fruitation. Perhaps one day we’ll see a presidential ticket with Therran Dunham/BLK CONSERVATIVE (or BLK CONSERVATIVE/Therran Dunham).
    I personally think that would be pretty damn good for our country.

71. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 16 Jun 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    -VERY GOOD POINTS

    -I feel like my views and they are.. are of a northerner who moved to the south and hates it

    -Memphis blacks, not all but 90% of the poverty level ones and some more affluent have this slave mentality-yes sad but true

    -mentality–can’t make it in life, white man is better, just want my check, college is a waste I’m still gonna be black

    -actual comments you will hear

    -They love ignorance here

    -Google Willie Herenton, then ask yourself how he got re elected 5 times in a row

    -race mongering- this dude has played the race card SOOO much it’s ridiculous
    -he has NO platform, he does nothing but steal, do drugs, swindle
    -but overshadows all of that since Memphis is 70%black saying oh they just bringing this up because I’m black… OMG!!!!

    -Now he is trying for Tennessee’s 9th congressional district

    -and guess what more race card… but Cohen (of Jewish decent) who he is up against is also trying to Black himself up…. he even apologized for SLAVERY!!! OMG!!!

    –and the Negroes here eat it up, no politics, no viewpoints, no talking about where they stand or want to do

    –just I love black people–or that’s what they press the loudest,

    –I hate the mindset of the people hear, 90% of the blacks who make up 70% of Memphis are super ghetto

    –ENFORCE EVERY NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE ABOUT BLACKS AND THE SOUTH
    –gold teeth, colored hair, illegitimate kids, big rims on raggedy vehicles, POOR BROKEN ENGLISH

    –I deal with these people daily, and every time I meet a fellow Negro who speaks English well, they are undoubtedly from somewhere else it’s a shame

    –I’m not backing Darwinism in any sense but, survival of the fittest is real

    -In life you either sink or swim, win or lose

    -and if you suck at life, should we really hold your hand and guide you through?

    -smart, sin, poor choices should be up to the individual

    -We all know what is right, but we shouldn’t force it on people

    -We want to sin tax ourselves but we don’t want to round up illegals and be considered racist!

    ****another thing, how is rounding up illegals and kicking them out racist?? Mexicans gotta enlighten me, I have nothing against anyone who pays taxes works and obeys the laws. but just as blacks need to stop defending our criminals- do as whites call theirs…our black trash… Mexicans need to stop defending,or hispanics/latinos in general, need to stop defending ones who are not taking care of their business…..****

    #### NEW VOTES AND RULES####
    –IF YOU FEEL YOUR RACE IS BEING MISTREATED YOU PAY THAT BILL, LATINOS PAY THE ILLEGAL LATINOS BILL WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG CRIME, HOSPITAL BILL THEY CAN’T PAY… YOU GET EXTRA TAXED TO COVER THAT PROBLEM SOLVED!!!! NOW PUT YOUR SIGNS DOWN

    ####NEW VOTES FOR BLACKS###
    –AL SHARPTON-GO AWAY
    –JESSIE JACKSON–GO AWAY
    BLACK PEOPLE DON’T NEED A SPOKESPERSON, WE AS THIS SITE INDICATES ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS
    —-IF YOU BELIEVE COPS ARE TO HARD ON DRUG DEALERS AND GANG MEMBERS…TAX THOSE FOLKS EXTRA!!! PROBLEM SOLVED –SHUT UP CAUSE YOU DON’T WANT THEM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TIS TIS

    ***THAT WASN’T DIRECTED AT ANYONE I’M JUST SAYING***

    -Rights, privileges, freedoms- we may eat salads 6 days a week but you want that one burger on Saturday… I shouldn’t be taxed for a one Saturday burger because Tubby Tiffany eats burgers and fries everyday

    -I work out and pay for my health care now, I shouldn’t be lumped into the same boat with others… not scorning them

    -I haven’t always had it as nice as I have it now, I have worked 2 jobs full-time before… I don’t consider myself a hard worker… so those lazier than me ARE SUPER LAZY!!!

    -work more, squeeze in time for a trade or schooling

    -stop having sex if you can’t afford kids, clinics give away condoms

    -I will not scorn people, but I don’t understand why people are still having out of wedlock children

    –wrap up, pull out, birth control pill it up!!!

    WE AS A NATION HAVE TO DO BETTER, WE USED TO BE THE BEST, ARE WE NOW???

72. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 16 Jun 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    @Kellye I’d run with him

    -I love my people and my nation

    -I just want us to do better, if that’s by walking the walk myself I’m trying to do it

    - Therren will help get more accomplished he is nicer and more palatable than I

    2012 cast your vote

73. Kellye on 16 Jun 2010 at 1:32 pm #

    @BLK CONSERVATIVE

    Alright, sounds like we have a good run for President/Vice…however, it will have to wait until 2020, because Therran still has 7 years. (And we will have a veteran…whoopee!)

    I guess I should really feel lucky as the area where I live, the blacks are, for the most part, hard working and proud of themselves. Our issues around here are what I would call a “mixed bag”. Just as many, if not more, whites and Hispanics are the problem as blacks.

    I was fortunate in that I was raised by very prejudiced parents, but so many of my friends were of differant races that I never felt that any one race was responsible for the problems that our community has. I look at the person for what they have to offer to the world and the color of their skin has nothing to do with whether I like them….or not!

    Here in Eastern Oregon almost 50% of our population is Hispanic. Too many people around here automatically blame the “wet-backs” for everything from unemployment to drugs to gangs to the run-down neighborhoods. And if they don’t speak perfect English, they are labeled “wet-back”….never mind that 50% of the whites I know slaughter the language something terribly!!! Just look at some of the signs that Jam so kindly posted on this thread…

    I am so tired of my fellow whites not understanding that they are making us all look like assholes!! Yes, I agree that if someone is in the USA illegally, they need to be sent home, but dammit, find out first if the person is legally here before yelling “send ‘em back to wherever the hell they came from”. Just try going to a foreign country to live for a year or so, fool…tell me how many people there get disgusted with you when you can’t speak their language fluidly! AAAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!

    Ok, I am done rambling and ranting…don’t ask me what got me going, because I have no clue!!! I’ll turn the podium back over to the two of you.

74. THERREN DUNHAM on 16 Jun 2010 at 6:34 pm #

    Kellye and BC, I’d run with both of you. No bull.

    I always laugh to myself when I hear people talk about how we used to be the best, that some phantom “greatest generation” looks down on us with disdain, and how we should long for the time when we had “values.” Nostalgia is a seductive drug. Show me a person who complains ad nauseum about the problems of his world, and I’ll show you a person who’s really trying to say, “I can’t compete.” They’re saying, “I can’t compete with white skin privilege. I can’t compete with affirmative action. I can’t compete with Big Union. I can’t compete with Walmart. I can’t compete with better-educated people for the top-paying jobs. I can’t compete with illegal aliens for the jobs that barely pay my bills anyway. I can’t complete with the athlete who gets $40 million for catching a ball. I can’t compete with the two-dollar whore at the end of the church pew. I can’t compete with the Harvard-educated black man with a well-run Chicago machine. I can’t compete with every village’s group of idiots who think Lipton is owned by an American company.” When people can’t compete for the things they want, more often than not they’ll find it more convenient to simply blame somebody else rather than working harder. Such is the failure of modern American entitlement.If there is anything that is universal in America, across all races, cultures, and creeds, this is it.

    I don’t know so much about being “nice,” because I don’t find myself as being sympathetic to a lot of people. Last I checked, there are still way too many options and opportunities out there for people to wait for somebody to rescue them. And yes, BC, when you tell people that you can’t compete under a certain set of stipulations (immigrant labor, the cost of employing YOU vs. that of some East Indian national, choosing to stay the same as the world around you changes), you are, in effect, asking for a handout.

    I’m not saying people shouldn’t try to hold on to all they can, or that they should have things taken from them in order to provide for others(I don’t get down with zero-sum equations), but the society we all aspire to have will never come without cost. For the beneficiaries, you have to appreciate that no one should expect the fatted calf to celebrate the return of the prodigal son. And for its sacrifice, one should display both humility and accountability. For the (involuntary) providers, you have to understand that fatted cows exist for a reason. And that reason is the price we all pay in order to maintain the privileges–not freedoms–we enjoy in a free society.

    I feel that if people understood this, there’d be no need for so-called teabaggers or poverty pimps, or any other nutcase lurking in the fringes. Because most Americans (with or without hyphens) are pretty much in the center, anyway.

75. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 16 Jun 2010 at 6:58 pm #

    Hold on now!!!

    -a so called illegal will never affect my job

    -not to be a snob, but I have taken courses and gotten degrees and credentials to make certain jobs only attainable to people with my background

    -that being said, your right

    -if a person who can’t speak english, doesn’t have a license or social security number takes your job….

    -You KINDA SUCK lol

76. THERREN DUNHAM on 16 Jun 2010 at 7:50 pm #

    Peace, BC; I’m not talking about you, so to speak. But it’s more than just immigration or employment. And if you ask a lot of highly educated people who find themselves washing cars or applying for food stamps, your degree(s) aren’t necessarily kryptonite to Big Recession, either. I can say the same thing about the absurdity of some fool off the boat, over the fence, or patching an inner tube taking my job (and in all honesty, I do), but if I found myself out of work (and yes, it can happen), I’d face the same pressures other people buckle under all the time. Yet we are lucky; we have one less thing to look over our shoulders about than the next guy.

    But that’s not my point, though. What I’m trying to say is that we all expect things in life because of assumed shortcomings. We are at times no different than the people we say are leeching off society. Yet no man is an island; somebody gave so we can have, as we give to others. And no, we don’t always pick and choose who benefits from our loss. Re-read that first big paragraph. Sometimes we lose out because we don’t play the game right. We try to be like someone else instead of just being us. Sometimes we don’t stand out, or give a better alternative. Sometimes we compete in the wrong things for the wrong kind of market. Sometimes, we just fucking suck.

    Let me put it another way, framing it as showing the limits of entitlement: in my senior year in high school, my buddy and I applied to be dishboys at Ruby Tuesday. I walked in first, and my application was GLOWING. I listed all my activities, my GPA, my acceptance letter to Carolina, all that stuff. The manager glanced over it and simply asked, “School is important to you, isn’t it?” And you know what my dumb ass said? “Why YES, of course! In fact, I hope to one day run for governor and…” There were 10 psoitions and 9 applicants. Guess who was the odd man out?

    So, when my dumb ass asked why the hell was I rejected, when they had one more spot left, I was told by everyone who knew about it that there was no way in hell I would have ever been hired, because I was not what they needed. To them, my accomplishments were a liability. I would have cost them a lot more to put up with than some cat who wasn’t the secvond coming of Steve Urkel. It was a painful, humbling lesson, but one I’m glad to have at 17 rather than 35.

    And yes, I bitched and whined, and had my ass on my shoulders about how THEY fucked up by not hiring me. Because I didn’t know the game, and I overplayed my hand. I was what I wanted to be, instead of what they needed. I disqualified myself before I even had my interview. For all of my attributes, I just couldn’t compete with guys who were just, well, guys. They knew the game, but I was full of myself. And that’s not dissing them in the least. Granted, no guy that gets a scholarship to UNC fucking Chapel Hill sucks. But I was the wrong man for that job, and they knew it. I didn’t.

    I’m not really trying to make a point. Sometimes, even I need to be reminded of the game myself now and again. I’m not gonna have Uncle Sugar’s regular paychecks forever (but I’ll damn sure get that retirement and health care! :-D), but even now, I still have to compete. Even though I’m engaged, I still have to compete. It never ends.

    A lot of people today are just like how I was in high school. They just have to learn how to better compete. Learn the game the way it’s supposed to be played.

77. Lovely Latina on 16 Jun 2010 at 11:38 pm #

    BLK CONSERVATIVE:

    So Called Illegal? Really? And people wonder why prejudice still exists in this world. Latinos are the fastest growing minorities in this country and one day you will have to deal with someone like me. Someone who has the same degrees and same credentials and am bilingual. And then you will wonder when you are gonna be replace by a WOMAN.

    You are why, I (a professional woman) am looked as I can’t afford a decent pair of designer shoes without being asked if I can afford it and why people assume that I am a janitor. That kind of blatant racism should not be tolerated. The sad thing is that you probably are one of those people who will travel to Cabo, or Puerto Rico or Spain and not know a lick of Spanish but expect my people to cater to you.

    I revel in the day that you are displaced in your own country cause you can’t speak the language while I get the best tables and food and all kinds of hookups because I DO.

78. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 17 Jun 2010 at 12:11 am #

    -Sorry lovely Latina

    -I’m half black half Cuban, so you get no tissue from me

    -My father came here from Cuba and got his stuff taken care of immediately…aka he got his papers right

    -Thought you’d hurt me with that? I’ve been ridiculed all my life… I’m half negro half latino

    -my football coach called me coon-back and everyone thought it was funny on my team

    -Racism exist and I hate it, I call myself Blk Conservative because I look my black than anything and have felt the brunt of more nigger jokes than the law allows

    -Illegals may not be the coolest term, I’m Latino I don’t hate Latinos obviously… I don’t care for the ones that don’t pay taxes… I like fairness

    -DOn’t get all touchy and blow smoke… I’m guessing you take care of your business… so those who don’t, should we turn our heads???

    -Same way with my other half I don’t cut slack even for my immediate family… ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY….

    -i get profiled cause I look mostly black, but I don’t have any drugs, or weapons and my vehicle isn’t stolen so I’m on my way

    -NOBODY HATES LATINOS!!! WAKE UP!!! people just want them to pay taxes, assimilate or go home…

    not racist at all. same with Canadian illegals, UK illegals, middle eastern illegals, African illegals

    -your points make no sense!!!

    -your brainwashed and pulling the race card instead of whats fair card tis tis

79. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 17 Jun 2010 at 12:18 am #

    @THERREN
    -back to originally scheduled programming

    -your right it could be anyone of us at anytime who get canned

    -you have to evolve, adapt work 3 part time jobs
    polish yourself up for 9-5 at wal-mart and 6-2 at McDonald’s I’ve done it before and could do it again

    -PRIDE IS THE FOLLY OF MAN, and I suffer from it from time to time, but when it’s time to eat you got to buckle down

80. Lovely Latina on 17 Jun 2010 at 1:06 am #

    BLK CONSERVATIVE:

    You want people to assimilate? You are truly brainwashed and have lost all your latino flavor if that is what you think our people should do. I am proud to be a Latina and would never just want to be like everyone else.

    No we shouldn’t turn our heads but why must be use illegal aliens to build our homes, clean them, and pick all the fields in farms and then not pay them a decent wage and shove them out. These people want to work and are willing to do the work that most people wouldn’t want to do. I taught the children of migrant farmers a few summers in undergrad (some were illegal) and these kids wanted what every child wants, just an education.

    And a lot of people hate Latinos. Maybe you turn a blind eye to the hate but I see it all the time. Maybe you should tune into your Cuban side more often.

81. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 17 Jun 2010 at 9:03 am #

    -Lovely Latina

    -assimilation is not bad, if we love where we were from so much why didn’t we stay there????

    -I can’t expect the USA to make America super Cuban friendly, if my dad thought Cuba was so awesome he could have stayed

    -We need to embrace America and want to be Americans, not come here and switch everything up

    -Half negro—at least half my heritage is getting paid this time and not whipped, lol

    -as for cheap labor, build home clean home and go home for next to nothing

    —if the person is a citizen the GOV’T has instituted a minimum wage to protect people from getting low balled

    –meanwhile yes… just as how slaves help build this nation, and then were set free and persecuted I know I know I get it…

    -I live in a southern state… where they hate Mexicans for being so called Illegals, but a new Mexican restaurant opens up every month and I have yet to see ONE go out of business tiss tiss

    -I think we as voters of any race, should push to make it easier for honest hard working people to become citizens and tax payers

    -then delete minimum wage and shut up all these pansy he took my job a$$holes

82. BLK CONSERVATIVE on 17 Jun 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    *****AMERICA***

    -People come here because you can make it big if you work hard, aka good profit

    -Someone will always have an advantage over you

    -via looks, skin color, height, weight, sex appeal, affiliation of some sort

    -and people will always find ways to hate because of the above stated, mostly out of jealousy or just pure hate/ignorance

    -but a person regardless of their background as of now, has the ability to obtain the American dream, which is whatever you want it to be

    -rich, successful, physically fit, affiliated with the people you want

    -it only takes hard work and determination

    -and ignoring the ignorance of hate from others and living life as well as you can by being a law abiding citizen

83. sandi on 17 Jun 2010 at 6:18 pm #

    These ppl r idiots! And by the way,English the official language 4 the US? Obviously, correct! But learn how 2 spell, please! U can’t LOOSE- U can only LOSE!!! Get it????

84. Lauren on 13 Aug 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    You know jamdonaldson, I posted about this today on my own website. Your post has really provided me with lots of food for thought, I think that you have made lots of very interesting points. In fact, I simply wish I had read it before posting my own post. - drivingtutors.

85. Cathee on 24 Aug 2010 at 4:49 pm #

    I know this comes late, but….

    Sandi-Please tell me that you are being sarcastic with your comment. First, the U.S. does not have an official language. As for the “text-talk,” really? Is that your form of spelling correctly?

    Kellye-I’m with your re: Therren & Blk. Conservative; they would be a political jewel for this country, as would Jam! BTW- I love your state, I understand why you returned. It is beautiful!)

86. ~JaBe73 on 30 Aug 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    A little humor to round out the evening. We’re laughing and they’re serious or should I say seareus

87. ~JaBe73 on 30 Aug 2010 at 8:07 pm #

    Jam, I think I’m gonna divorce you and marry Therren!!! I mean, what we had was swell and all, but…lol

    Therren, thanks for your two cents! I appreciate your eloquence and what seems like ease to breakdown a point(or two) in the simplest terms so that even the simple wont get offended, but be enlightened. I can’t say the same for guy with the “fancy schmancy” (too funny) degrees.

    Love y’all!

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